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md1101 -

yeap thats the problem roddy. they grow slowly and breed slowly so if demand ever picks up you can
be damn sure whaling will become a large threat to their existence... which would be very sad
indeed... and probably effect the oceans eco system...

considering demand isnt particularly high now i really wish these whalers would focus all their
energies on something else.



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liuzhou -

I was in the 'menu translation' thread and tried to look at some attachments. Every time I do so
it says I'm not logged in.

Oh yes I am.



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roddy -

I can't see any reason for this - anyone else having problems? Do you get the same message with
other attachments? Are you just trying to ruin my weekend?










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Ah, I see the problem - the link is given as http:// . . . , which means that if
you were logged in at www. it won't recognize your cookie. I'll add the www.

Roddy










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twilightwind -

Do the both have the same word order for things?



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Ncao -

No, they don´t.
Ex. Vietnamese people - (chinese)Yue nan ren; (Vietnamese) nguoi Vietnam










Zhao Hanqing -

Vietnam used to be part of China for a thousand years. Chinese used to be an official language in
Vietnam for two thousand years especially their written documents and literature were all in
Chinese. Their own language especially latinized one appeared quite late about the turn of the
nineteenth century. That is why Vietnamese contain a large number of Chinese loan words, 40 % of
the vocabulary. But the two languages are different grammatically speaking.










HashiriKata -



Quote:

Chinese used to be an official language in Vietnam for two thousand years especially their written
documents and literature were all in Chinese.

Overly inaccurate statement. Check your data.




Quote:

That is why Vietnamese contain a large number of Chinese loan words, 40 % of the vocabulary.

No, that is not the reason. China's never ruled Japan but there are at least 50% of Chinese
loanwords within Japanese.




Quote:

Their own language especially latinized one appeared quite late about the turn of the nineteenth
century.

The written form of the language is not the language itself. If tomorrow China decided to use only
pinyin to write Chinse, this wouldn't mean that the Chinese language appeared in the beginning of
the 21st Century.










Zhao Hanqing -

Sorry I made a mistake. Vietnamese have used written Chinese language and spoken their own
language for two thousand years. They did have their spoken language a long time ago but did not
have their own written language, so they used written Chinese instead.
Accurately speaking, a large part of Vietnamese documents and literature is in Chinese. Before
latinizing their own language, they invented their own Chinese characters imitating Chinese
characters, namely 字喃, meaning southern characters to express objects and customs that did not
exist in China. So before romanization of Vietnamese they also used Chinese written language mixed
with zinans as their own written form of Vietnamese concurrently with pure written Chinese. But I
suppose written Chinese has remained very importand till the end of the second world war, that is,
1945.










nnt -



Quote:

Quote:
Chinese used to be an official language in Vietnam for two thousand years especially their written
documents and literature were all in Chinese.

Overly inaccurate statement. Check your data.

That is accurate.

Classical Chinese was the official language in Vietnam from its independance in 939 until 1918!!!

Chinese characters and Nôm were used simultaneously.

The two short periods in which Nôm was the official language were the Hồ dynasty (1400-1407)
and the Nguyễn Tây Sơn dynasty (1788-1802).










HashiriKata -

Sorry it was my fault. I read it too quickly and thought that Zhao Hanqing was saying that VN was
under the Chinese rule for two thousand years. But as it's about the language, I'd rather check
the data than making such a statement.










Kong Junrui -

If you are refering to the word order in sentence structure, then according to Wikipedia, then
yes, they do have the same order. Both languages (and many others, for that matter) share the
Subject-Verb-Object (SVO) order.

For example, you'd use the same order for the phrase "I love you" in both languages:

我爱你。
Anh yêu em.

Though, I don't know Vietnamese so I can't really offer any more examples.










Zhao Hanqing -

My dear nnt,
I wonder how you have acquired such detailed knowledge! Yes, exactly Vietnam gained independence
in 939, in Later Jin Dynasty of the Five Dynasties Period after the ending of Tang Dynasty. But
you must remember Vietnam was part of China before that time and of course Chinese was used as
official language before 939 because all the local officials in the local government in Vietnam
were dispatched there from the central government in China.
Funny to say, even after independence, Vietnamese still regarded themselves as Chinese.The rulers
of independent Vietnam still considered their country a part of China in spite of separate ruling.
One emperor of Vietnam thought their country was the southern dynasty while Song Dynasty of China
was the northern dynasty and both belonged to one cultural China. Just like the case of Taiwan.
Most Taiwanese consider them Chinese at least culturally speaking.










Ncao -

Zhao Hanqing,
My family are ethnic Chinese from Vietnam (越南華僑) and I can tell you the Vietnamese never
consider themself Chinese. Also there were discrimination against the ethnic Chinese in
Vietnam.Yes, the Chinese had alot of influences on Vietnamese culture,but there are also lot of
differences between the 2 cultures.












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Added the games category, and some things I found browsing, all of which look bad bad bad.
http://www. /images...s/icon_cry.gif indeed

For example. I know I am dull, but I don't need the smilies to throw it back at me!

Nevermind. You just press on them, not drag them... I'll leave this up for future reference.



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ask_weasal -

I don't know if you guys know this but there is a trend going around now that if a Chinese dude
buys a car that is foriegn in order not to pay the tax he gathers a foriegner passport for a
couple of days and in exchange the foriegner is supposed to get like 7,000-10,000 yuan. Don't fall
for it. I did and I got screwed big time. The middle man was supposed to be a good friend of mine
from America who lives in Shenyang. Two weeks later I got my passport back with the seaming ripped
from the middle and taped back together again. It is altered and tattered and I don't know what to
do. What I think they did is got what they wanted and decided not to give me my cut. Chinese
business men huh? Can't be trusted. But I am so stupid for being so naive, but I needed that
money; the school I'm working for pays me 3000 yuan a month. It's next to nothing!!! I want to
retaliate and I want to get them in trouble for what they did to me. I don't want them using my
information to get what they want. Any suggestions fellow foriegners? I hate being cheated over
here. Everyday my opinion of China just drops like 5 points. Where are the honest people(including
foriegners)? HELP!!!!!!!!

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roddy -



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Any suggestions fellow foriegners?

I find it hard to believe that anyone would be this daft, but that's nothing new. Go and tell the
consulate now (there's a US consulate in Shenyang, yes?).

How did they alter it? Draw a moustache on your photograph?










imron -

Yeah this scheme's doing the rounds where I live at the moment too, and if something sounds too
good to be true, it probably is.

What I find slightly ironic is that you ask where all the honest people are, yet do so after
personally taking part in a scheme with dubious honesty/legality surrounding it. After all, if the
scheme had worked out, it's unlikely you would have been complaining about the dishonesty of it.
So I guess the answer to your question is, they, like you are just out there chasing the money
(sorry for the brutal honesty there).

Anyway, I don't imagine the police will be of much help in this matter, but perhaps you can report
what happened to your embassy, and perhaps even get your previous passport cancelled and reissued
with a new one. All of which is a pain, but at least doing so may prompt the embassy to issue a
warning to people travelling to/working in China not to get involved in this sort of scheme.










geraldc -

I wouldn't report it to the Chinese authorities as basically you've helped someone commit tax
evasion, and you're more likely to get in trouble than they are.

I would go to the embassy and get a new passport though, you're probably better off reporting that
your current passport went missing and then reappeared in its current state, rather than
explaining how you basically hired it out for 2 weeks and then got ripped off.

You haven't lost any money, so just chalk it up to experience and move on.










gougou -

Whenever I have to hand over my passport in a hotel, I start praying; I'd never dream of giving it
to somebody for two weeks to use as they see fit

Is your friend from America American? If so, why didn't he use his own passport? There should have
been plenty of alarm bells!



Quote:

Chinese business men huh? Can't be trusted.

While that is true for every country, I also am much more wary with Chinese people then I would be
with Germans (for example). But contrary to you, I don't hold it against them. If I get screwed, I
believe I have nobody to blame but myself, for being too naive.

Consider it a valuable experience: it will teach you to become less naive, yet more cunning.










imron -



Quote:

you're probably better off reporting that your current passport went missing and then reappeared
in its current state,

If you're going to say your passport went missing, I imagine it might be better to leave out the
whole reappearing part. Just leave it as missing. Otherwise it might prompt them to look more
closely into the reason it disappeared. If you say it's missing, it's not like they're going to
come and check your apartment for it.










got_no_jaffas -

you have to put it down to a learning experience. it usually happens when we are desperate, either
for money or for other pleasures. i just read a huge thread on another forum about singaporeans
getting conned in china which saved my ass a few times, and singaporeans are not naive to this
kind of activity.

sometimes you take risks & it works out fine, sometimes you get burnt. you're not alone.










gougou -



Quote:

i just read a huge thread on another forum about singaporeans getting conned in china which saved
my ass a few times

Do you still have the link? Maybe you could save some other people's asses too.










aeon -

You got cheated because you could be, and more to the point deserved to be. You loaned someone
your passport in order to make a quick illegal buck. Then you didn't get paid. Boo hoo...

Who're you going to complain to? No-one. What you did was illegal, so you have no legal way to get
your money. Short of hiring a bunch of goons and going over there to beat it out of them, you are
out of luck. PT Barnum was sooo right, and the same thing would happen in any country... Come back
and ask for sympathy when you actually deserve it!

In the meantime, report your passport stolen. Get the old one cancelled and destroy it and try and
be a bit more honest yourself next time.










mlomker -

You work for only 3k/month? I wonder what kind of gig that is. I've seen a couple of the Beijing
universities offer numbers that laughable but I didn't think anybody actually took the jobs (who
wasn't wealthy and just there for the experience). 5-6k jobs seem plentiful all over the country
as long as you're qualified.












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lungyan -

yeah i'm aware of all this but the thing is i don't have 7 years to waste i can't afford it to
take that long. it's also a very complicated situation and the only way i can progress is to get
hk citizenship.



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Ian_Lee -

A lot of false information being given here.

(1) A Chinese HKSAR passport is as good as a UK passport, if not better. It has visa free access
to about 130+ countries worldwide, including all EU countries, Canada and Japan. The only major
country that UK passport holder has visa-free access while HKSAR passport holder don't have is US.

But if you travel in Middle East, IMO a HKSAR passport holder is more immune to terrorist
kidnapping than a UK passport holder.

And IMO Chinese Embassy provides better service than British Embassy. Recently a HK tour group got
into a car accident in Eygpt. The Chinese ambassador drove from Cairo for several hours to the
accident site and arranged to send some of the wounded to fly to hospital in Paris for treatment.

In fact, recently Chinese embassy advertises that it will provide "good quality service" to HK
compatriots (even if they don't hold SAR but BNO passports) and Taiwan compatriots (who hold ROC
passports).

And even HK dissident, "Long Hair" Leung Kwok Hung, who took a coffin to demonstrate whenever Li
Peng or Jiang Zemin visited Hong Kong, praised the Chinese Embassy when he lost his SAR passport
during overseas travel. The Chinese Embassy promptly gave him a new one without any hassles.

(2) Even if Lungyan is a Falun Gong believer, but if he chooses to reside in HK only, he would
face no humbug. Falun Gong has a long term booth in Star Ferry Pier to pass out pamphlets and they
are also regularly around Wong Tai Sin Temple to pass out pamphlets to Mainland tourist group.

(3) As fellow poster said, Chinese citizenship and permanent residency are two separate issues.
But even if you acquire permanent residency after 7-years' stay in HK, you are not automatically
entitled to Chinese citizenship or SAR passport. In fact, many South Asian residents in HK are not
entitled to Chinese citizenship even if they are born in HK. Many have petitioned Chinese
government for citizenship in futile. So technically they are "Stateless persons" since they can
only possess BNO passports.

Of course, there are a few cases that some foreigners in HK have been naturalized as Chinese
citizens. The most prominent case is former British official, Mr. Rowse, who now works as chief
investment promotion official in the SAR government. But I guess he may have political ambition
because the Basic Law stipulates that all the top officials in HK must be Chinese citizens.
Anyway, the residency is at the discretion of HK government but the citizenship is decided by the
Chinese government.

(4) As other posters doubt, why does Lungyan need Chinese citizenship or even HK permanent
residency? If Lungyan wants only to stay in HK but not work in HK, he can just fly into the
territory. Every UK visitor is entitled to 6-month visa free stay in HK with no question asked.
And when the 6-month deadline expires, he can fly back to UK and comes back within weeks. HK and
London is even better connected than before '97 with 9 direct flights both ways everyday. If he
chooses to fly in the low season, he can easily get a bargain from Virgin.

(5) Since Lungyan is 24 only and I assume he wants to get a job in HK, it shouldn't be too
difficult for him to get one during his 6-month stay and then asks his employer to sponsor to
switch to a work visa. In HK's red hot economy, he shouldn't face too much trouble in getting a
job even if he doesn't know Cantonese or any Chinese. But unlike Pre-'97 years when any youths
from Britain could get a work visa even if he worked as a bartender, the HK Immigration Dept has a
more stringent criteria.

The benefits for a right of abode holder is that he can be elected as a legislator (even if he is
a foreigner), entitled the right to vote, the right to work w/o visa, the right to enjoy free
9-year education and to be treated in public hospital as resident who pays minimal fee.

So why does Lungyan need a HK permanent residency or Chinese citizenship? Getting a permanent
residency or citizenship in any developed regions is never a "simple thing" as he conceives even
though he also comes from a developed country.










lungyan -

Thanks a lot for response. This sounds pretty good except how to get it. And yes I really do need
at least right of abode and if possible citizenship for complex reasons. It is essential
absolutely essential, it's nothing dodgy, just complex. The question is just though how can I
possibly get it? It seems so difficult I can't believe it.










flameproof -

>i don't have 7 years to waste

You should have a true interest in living in HK if you want to obtain a HKSAR passport. If you do,
you would not see living in HK as a 'waste'. HK is a place with very transparent nationality rules.

>But if you travel in Middle East, IMO a HKSAR passport holder is more immune to terrorist
kidnapping than a UK passport holder.

Don't count on that. Chinese nationals have been killed too. I am not aware of any HKSAR passport
holder being killed, but one should remember that their number is extremely low.










rose~ -

What, so those people living in Hong Kong of South Asian descent do not hold HK SAR passports?
Even if they are born there? Did I get that right?










flameproof -

>so those people living in Hong Kong of South Asian descent do not hold HK SAR passports?

It depends. Many 2nd/3rd generation ethnic Indians or Pakistani citicens could apply for HK SAR
passports. I don't think many do. Some did though.... They do hold passports and don't have much
need to apply for another nationality.

Most well known non-ethnic HK SAR passport holder is probably Mike Rowse, MD of HKinvest. He came
from NZ and chose HK for his permanent home.

Keep in mind that HK SAR Passports only exists since 1997, and they were not very popular when
they first came out.










Ian_Lee -

Lungyan:

Actually the rule is not complicated at all. It is easier to get right of abode in HK than many
other places in the world.

The requirement is that you have resided in HK legally for 7 years before you are entitled to
become a permanent resident.

So a lot of Filipino maids have already gained permanent residency after they renew their
employment contract twice.

But in most other countries, you will never be entitled to permanent residency if you are just a
guest worker no matter how many years you have been working there (and paying taxes).










Ian_Lee -

Rose:

The South Asian population in HK was a thorny issue between Beijing and London during the 14-year
long negotiation.

But just weeks before the transition, London agreed to offer UK passports to many South Asians who
have lived in HK for 2 or even 3 generations.

However, not all South Asians have got British citizenship. Many didn't get it and technically
became "Stateless" people albeit they can travel by BNO passports and have right of abode in HK.

But those born after '97 would not even be entitled to BNO passports since they have never been
British subjects.










flameproof -

>So a lot of Filipino maids have already gained permanent residency after they renew their
employment contract twice.

That was changed many years ago. Filippino maids are required to leave HK after each 2 year
contract. That means they can not stay 7 years without break. Even if you just break for 1 day,
you have to start again from zero to count your seven years.*

Those who have permanent residency are from the 'very old days'. I am not sure when the 2 year
break rule started. I guess in the late 1980th or early 90th.

* only those time count that you are legally in HK with an other then tourist visa. "Continuesly"
means that you have to be i.e. employed all the time. You can have holidays abroad. But if you
chage employers and have, lets say, 3 days between jobs, and the visa shows that gap, then you
start again from zero.










rose~ -

Thanks for the clarification about passports. I remember a big fuss in the news when they created
BNO passports. I don't know the details of BNO passports but they don't seem to offer many
advantages for the holder. May I ask, why those Hong Kong residents of South Asian descent are not
eligible for a HKSAR passport? How about the same issue for white or mixed-race people?

Please could someone say how to say HKID in Chinese? is is 身份證 the same as in the Mainland
(I mean is the word the same, not is that the saem thing =) ?

So from Ian Lee's explanation it seems clear that one needs to spend 7 years to try and get the
residency. Are there exceptions for marriage to a HKSAR passport holder or someone with permanent
residency?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sorry, this is off-topic but is it also right that anyone holding HKID can apply for 回鄉証
(home return permit)? What about those who are non ethnically Chinese?












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An Oasis at Shichahai

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Updated: 2007-07-09 17:25



Strolling through Shichahai, it's hard to believe you are in the middle
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Whether you're out for your daily walk or you want a serene place to
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The lakes create a focal point for the many eateries that surround them.
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Despite signs warning 'No swimming', local men strip down to their
swimming trunks and use the water to cool off and keep their fitness
levels up.

Shichahai is the perfect mix between old and new. Pedicab drivers sit
around chatting, while motorized boats are docked preparing to whisk
visitors from one side of the lake to the other.

The area is a popular gathering place for those wanting to indulge in a
game or two of table tennis or alternately read a newspaper in a quiet
nook and catch up on world events.

As sunset approaches, the bright lights and traditional lanterns in the
many bars and restaurants provide a festive atmosphere. The area
transforms from a quiet escape to one bustling with excitement and
energy. Locals and expatriates meet and ganbei together.

A must see for any visitor to Shichahai is one of the many historical
residences.
The late honorary president of the People's Republic of China Soong
Ching-ling, spent the last 18 years of her life here and it's easy to see
why. The manicured gardens and established trees, some as old as 300
years, provide the perfect retirement setting.

Wandering away from the lake-side, you stumble across numerous Hutongs.
These small paved lanes are home to traditional dwellings and small shops
alike. A pleasant change from the high-rise buildings of the big city,
these Hutongs are steeped in history. The traditional style buildings and
architecture provide a sense of 'the old world'.

Shichahai's three lakes once formed part of a system of waterways that
fed into the Grand canal and into the city centre. Pleasure boats now
take the place of trade boats passing under the Silver ingot bridge. Once
called "The first natural beauty in Beijing city", the stone bridge
differentiates Qianhai and Houhai lakes.

With an area of 147 hectares, this unique district has something to offer
everyone. Whether it be a history lesson, a nice meal, a chance to
stretch your legs or simply a moment away from busy daily life, you will
find tranquility and fun at Shichachai.






















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Free Chinese Lesson - Jennifer Lopez's photo album

ENTERTAINMENT / Music/Theater






Jennifer Lopez's photo album


Updated: 2007-07-05 11:32








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Chinese Tutor - Lohan marks 21st with low-key family bash

ENTERTAINMENT / Gossip






Lohan marks 21st with low-key family bash

(WENN/Daily Mail)
Updated: 2007-07-04 09:10





Smile! The actress takes happy snaps of the occasion [Daily Mail]


Troubled actress Lindsay Lohan was joined by her mother and siblings as
she turned 21 in rehab on Monday.

The Mean Girls actress was charged with driving under the influence after
smashing her car in Beverly Hills in May. She checked into rehab facility
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HSK - Myleene Klass does naked pregnant pose for magazine

ENTERTAINMENT / Gossip






Myleene Klass does naked pregnant pose for magazine

(Daily Mail)
Updated: 2007-07-02 19:40



She enhanced her celebrity status by cavorting in a teeny bikini.

So it was a natural progression for Myleene Klass to go au naturel.


The former pop star has become the latest celebrity to imitate Demi
Moore's famous nude pose in the late stages of pregnancy.


Looking swell: Myleene Klass the cover girl

Miss Klass, 29, who was a swimwear-clad contestant on I'm A Celebrity . .
. Get Me Out Of Here!, appears naked save an engagement ring and gold
butterfly-design necklace on the cover of the latest edition of Glamour
magazine.

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Pnyin - Bond director ventures to "Land of Roses"

ENTERTAINMENT / Movies






Bond director ventures to "Land of Roses"

(Reuters)
Updated: 2007-06-29 18:07



LOS ANGELES - Marc Forster, the recently anointed director of the next
James Bond movie, will executive produce and possibly direct the drama
"Land of Roses."

Inspired by the real-life experiences of Kurdish immigrant Ibrahim Parlak
in post-September 11 America, the project revolves around a suburban
mother who, with the support of her fellow outraged townspeople, attempts
to exonerate a hardworking Middle Eastern father falsely imprisoned as a
terrorist by Homeland Security.

Albert Torres will write the screenplay for Mandate Pictures.

Forster, whose credits also include "Stranger Than Fiction," "Finding
Neverland" and "Monster's Ball," recently wrapped "The Kite Runner."











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Study Chinese - Spice Girls expected to announce reunion

ENTERTAINMENT / Music






Spice Girls expected to announce reunion

(Reuters)
Updated: 2007-06-28 09:56


The Spice Girls are expected to announce a reunion tour on Thursday,
ending months of speculation about the five-member band that brought
"girl power" to the British music scene.

The band sold around 55 million albums and topped charts around the world
before Posh, Scary, Sporty, Baby and Ginger decided to go it alone --
with varying degrees of success.

Geri "Ginger Spice" Halliwell left the group in 1998 and the other four
have pursued solo careers and jobs outside music since their last album
"Forever" in November, 2000.

"The Spice Girls are set to make an official announcement to the world
regarding future plans on Thursday 28th June," their management said in a
statement last week.

"No further information can be given at this time but given the band's
unique history, you can be sure to expect the unexpected," Simon Fuller's
19 Entertainment said.

In a recent radio interview, Melanie Chisholm, known as "Sporty Spice",
said she admired boy band Take That, who have enjoyed huge success since
reforming, even without the help of former member Robbie Williams.

British media report that the Spice Girls stand to make millions of
pounds each from the reunion tour, which is expected to be accompanied by
a new album and a television documentary.

WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

Victoria "Posh" Beckham has maintained the highest profile since the band
split, helped by her superstar soccer-playing husband David and regular
appearances at fashion shows and on tabloid front pages.

The couple are moving to Los Angeles where David has signed to play for
L.A. Galaxy, and Victoria appears determined to carve out a career of her
own in fashion and television.

Other bandmates have been less fortunate after pursuing singing careers
that never matched the success of the group.

Melanie "Scary" Brown largely disappeared from the public eye until a
high-profile paternity case involving Hollywood star Eddie Murphy.

Earlier this month a DNA test confirmed Murphy as the father of Brown's
newborn baby girl after he declined to publicly acknowledge paternity.

Reaction to news of the reunion has been mixed.

While media interest in reviving the band that once epitomized female
empowerment is high, it has also been met with considerable cynicism.

"So why have a reunion?" asked the Daily Mirror tabloid. "Maybe it really
is for the fans. Or perhaps it's because Sporty, Scary, Posh, Ginger and
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Learning Chinese - Tea heaven is this cool

CITYLIFE / Shopping






Tea heaven is this cool

(smartshanghai.com)
Updated: 2007-06-26 09:29



Even if the only thing you know about tea is that it's made by Lipton and
comes in the little baggie, shopping at Tian Shan is good fun. A 20 rmb
taxi ride from People's Square or a solid 10 min walk from Line 3, the
mall looks something like a temple from the outside and is 3 floors of
shops selling tea and tea related items.

Walk into almost any of these shops and soon enough you'll be sitting
with a small cup, infusion after infusion being poured out for you to
try. On my last visit I thought I'd whip through quickly, take some
pictures, buy a bit of tea and 10 minutes later be out the door. I made
it to the second floor. One hour later I was still there, sipping
Taiwanese oolong, sharing spicy roast duck, chatting about vacations and
the advantages of high altitude cultivation, or at least that's what I
think we were talking about. Many thanks to my new friends at Tea Spirit
(shop # 2070, tel: 021-26506489) for the duck, and for allowing me to
massacre their language. Tea Spirit has a small and interesting selection
of uniquely glazed tea cups but, one of the best ways to go about your
visit, is to just stroll around the mall until you see something you like
or are invited in for a sample, which should take all of 30 seconds. Many
vendors are not just interested in selling but are also quite passionate
about their products. If you show interest, they'll discuss the
differences between teas and regions at length as long as their English,
or your Chinese, holds out.

My favorite place to shop for cups and the like is Mu Yun (ground floor,
shop # 1023, tel: 021-62287105), stocked with handmade ceramics and
carved bamboo from neighboring Zhejiang province. Their selection in a
cut above the rest and many of the items are actual works of art, without
being priced accordingly, instead of mass produced look a likes. The
selection is constantly changing but I'm always taken by the beautiful
hand carved fans that go for about 500 rmb and the carved bamboo panels
that range from 600 to 2000+ rmb, tea cups from a few kuai to 70 or 80
rmb for more unique pieces. Also of note are their bamboo tea accessories
where the quality of the workmanship is again evident. Even if you don't
fancy buying a whole tea set, Mu Yun has functional and unique little
pieces of art that make great presents.

There are 4 basic types of tea you will find at the mall. Green tea most
people are familiar with, a lightly oxidised tea. Oolong, a semi oxidised
tea is often pretty close in flavour to green tea and is my personal
favourite, at it's best grassy and almost sweet. Red tea, or what we know
as black tea, is more heavily oxidised. Pu'er is special tea, actually
from a different type of tea plant, and is the Bordeaux of the lot. Aged
pu'er teas are sought after and are extremely pricey, fetching more than
50 rmb per gram. You'll see dinner plate sized cakes of this tea, wrapped
in identifying paper, adorning the walls of many of the shops. I think
pu'er tastes like ashtray water but it's worth giving it a go just to say
you have. Add to this all of the different grades of tea, the different
methods of rolling and drying, flavored teas (lychee, rose, ginseng,
etc... ), herbal teas, etc... and it would take you a solid week of
tasting to conquer them all. Finding a tea you like is a lot like finding
a wine you like, having a sample of one or two of the above will give you
a jumping off point from which to explore further, and the staff will be
more than willing to keep you sampling until you're jacked beyond belief
in the hope that you'll purchase.

Although not that much English is spoken this definitely won't stand in
the way of business (does it ever?) and, language barrier or not, staff
will normally ask you to sit and taste before buying. I think things are
usually pretty quiet and they enjoy the company.

Tian Shan Tea City
Location: 520 Zhongshan Xi Lu, near Wuyi Lu










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Learning Mandarin - Spice Girls set date to reveal plans

ENTERTAINMENT / Music/Theater






Spice Girls set date to reveal plans

(AP)
Updated: 2007-06-23 08:36



LONDON - Talk of a Spice Girls reunion has swirled for weeks - boosted by
Sporty Spice herself - and on Friday the vivacious five said they would
make "an announcement to the world" next week.


A Feb 24, 1997 photo from files showing the Spice Girls performing
at the Brit Awards in London. [AP]

Gossip took a major leap, and suddenly old film clips of the 1990s pop
sensations were all over British television.

The statement issued by the quintet's management company seemed designed
to move the rumors up a notch and stretch them out for a good week.

"Following weeks of speculation, the Spice Girls are set to make an
official announcement to the world regarding future plans on Thursday,
June 28," said the statement from 19 Entertainment. "Details regarding
the announcement will be released in the coming days."

Victoria (Adams) Beckham (Posh Spice), Melanie Chisholm (Sporty Spice),
Geri Halliwell (Ginger Spice), Emma Bunton (Baby Spice) and Melanie Brown
(Scary Spice) formed the Spice Girls in 1994. They became a global hit
before splitting in 2001.

Chisholm, who had opposed a reunion, recently told the British
Broadcasting Corp. she had changed her mind.

"For the first time ever, there is some truth in the rumors. We've been
discussing it and it could possibly happen," the 33-year-old singer told
BBC radio last week.

"I've always said, `I don't want to do it, the past is the past. It was
amazing, it was magical. We could never recreate it,'" Chisholm said.
"But this year people have been talking about it and some of the girls
have expressed an interest in doing it."

The Spice Girls' 2000 album, "Forever," had weak sales, and they began
concentrating on their solo careers.












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Learn Chinese online - Nicole Richie wins delay in drunken driving trial

ENTERTAINMENT / Gossip






Nicole Richie wins delay in drunken driving trial

(Reuters)
Updated: 2007-06-20 09:59



LOS ANGELES - Reality TV star Nicole Richie on Tuesday won a more than
two-week postponement of her trial on charges of driving under the
influence of drugs and alcohol, but the judge in the case said he would
grant no further delays.

Superior Court Commissioner Steven Lubell set a new trial date of July 11
for Richie, who was arrested in December after allegedly driving the
wrong way on a busy Los Angeles freeway.

Lubell, who pushed back the trial date from June 25 at the request of
Richie's lawyers, said he would not put it off again.

Richie, the 25-year-old daughter of singer Lionel Richie who co-stars
with best friend Paris Hilton in "The Simple Life," was not in court for
the brief hearing in Los Angeles.

"She has two options: Either she goes to trial or she changes her 'not
guilty' plea," said Jane Robison, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles
County District Attorney's office.

If convicted, Richie faces a minimum punishment of 90 days in jail
because she has a prior conviction for driving under the influence,
Robison said.

Police say that when they questioned Richie at the time of her arrest she
failed a sobriety test and admitted that she had smoked marijuana and
taken the painkiller Vicodin.

Although her black sports utility vehicle was pointed in the right
direction when officers found her, it matched the description of a car
that had been seen entering the freeway against traffic.

Hilton, 26, was sentenced to 45 days in jail for violating her probation
in a drunken driving case. She is expected to serve 23 days with standard
credit for good behavior behind bars. She sparked a worldwide press
frenzy when she was briefly released for what authorities said were
medical reasons.

Robison said sensational news coverage around Hilton's jail term was not
a factor in Richie's case.

"For us it's taken on a case-by-case basis," she said. "That's a
different office, different jurisdiction. It has nothing to do with this
case."









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Chinese Studies - Celebrate Dragon Boat Festival with rice dumplings

CITYLIFE / Odds & Ends






Celebrate Dragon Boat Festival with rice dumplings

(chinadaily.com.cn)
Updated: 2007-06-18 09:07



The annual traditional Chinese festival Duanwujie (Dragon Boat Festival)
falls on June 19 this year. Traditionally, Chinese people make zongzi
(glutinous rice dumplings) and eat them at home to celebrate this
festival. Yet for office workers, tight work schedules makes it almost
impossible to make zongzi themselves. So here are some recommended places
to buy zongzi in Beijing and Shanghai.

Zongzi is a kind of rice dumpling wrapped in bamboo or reed leaves to
form a pyramid. The stuffing is mostly made of glutinous rice and
complemented with Chinese dates, red beans, and salty meats. Generally
speaking, zongzi is divided into two categories, salty zongzi which is
popular in South China, and the sweet ones in North China.


Zongzi brands in Beijing

Daoxiangcun

A snack chain store in Beiing, Daoxiangcun features a wide selection of
zongzi, both sweet and salty ones, including those with Chinese dates,
zongziChinese hamzongzi, or egg yolkzongzi.

Daoxiangcun also has wugu zong, which is stuffed with traditional Chinese
grains including broomcorn grains and corn. There's also sweet bamboo
tube Babao Zong, and the wrapping is the hollow bamboo tube instead of
reed leaves.

Location 1: No. 117 Dongzhimen Waidajie, Chaoyang District
Tel: 010-64033443

Location 2: No. 60 Jiaoda Donglu, Haidian District
Tel: 010-62262128

Dasanyuan

Apart from ordinary salty and sweet zongzi, Dasanyuan also has purple
glutinous rice zongzi, which stickier than ordinary glutinous rice
zongzis.

Besides, Dasanyuan also features some zongzi stuffed with expensive
seafood ingredients. And their prices are also quite high. A package
containing about five such zongzi is 128 yuan.

Location 1: No.50 Jingshan Xijie, Dongcheng District
Tel: 010-64013920

Location 2: No. Jia 19, Xisanhuan Zhonglu, Haidian District
Tel: 010-63941370

Holilai

Holilai focuses on the sales of desserts and it has many chain stores in
Beijing. It sells small zongzi, mainly sweet ones and priced at 6 yuan
each. Holilai also has zongzi packages, the small ones contain 6 zongzi
priced at 39 yuan, and big packages containing 9 zongzis at 58 yuan.

Location 1: Building No.15, Area No.2, Fangchengyuan, Fengtai District
Tel: 010-67647183

Location 2: 1/F, Peony Hotel, No. 31 Huangyuan Donglu, Haidian District
Tel: 010-62042047


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Learn Chinese online - Kinnear, Tierney make "Baby"

ENTERTAINMENT / Movies






Kinnear, Tierney make "Baby"

(Reuters)
Updated: 2007-06-13 13:47



LOS ANGELES - Greg Kinnear and Maura Tierney have joined "Saturday Night
Live" veterans Tina Fey and Amy Poehler in the cast of the comedy "Baby
Mama."

The Universal Pictures project centers on a single woman (Fey) whose
desire to have a child and keep her career leads her to hire a surrogate
(Poehler).

Kinnear will play the male lead, a proprietor of a local fresh juice shop
who becomes close with Fey's character as she begins her pursuit of a
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wrote and will direct.

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Food Nation," is preparing to star in the DreamWorks romantic comedy
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Chinese School - Hilton expected to remain in jail medical ward

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Hilton expected to remain in jail medical ward

(Reuters)
Updated: 2007-06-11 10:04





A view of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Twin Towers
Correctional Facility in Los Angeles, June 9, 2007, where Paris Hilton is
being held. [Reuters]

Paris Hilton, sent back to jail for violating probation in a
drunken-driving case, will finish her sentence at the medical ward where
she ended up after a day of house arrest, the celebrity Web site TMZ.com
reported on Sunday.

TMZ, citing unnamed sources, also said the 26-year-old hotel heiress was
eating again, still having trouble sleeping and had received visits from
her sister, Nicky, and her sometime boyfriend, Greek shipping scion
Stavros Niarchos.

A spokesman for Hilton declined comment on the report, as did officials
for the sheriff's department.

Hilton began her jail term last Sunday night at the sprawling Century
Regional Detention Facility in Lynwood, just outside Los Angeles, and
served three full days there before the sheriff's department "reassigned"
her to home detention under electronic monitoring.

Sheriff Lee Baca cited unspecified psychological problems affecting
Hilton's medical condition as reasons for his decision, which drew
immediate fire from prosecutors and the judge who presided over Hilton's
case.

At a hearing on Friday, the judge, Michael Sauer, ordered the distraught
celebrity heiress back to jail to complete her term, originally set for
45 days. But rather than returning to the Lynwood facility, Baca had her
sent to the medical unit of another detention site in downtown Los
Angeles.

As of Friday, Baca said Hilton was scheduled to serve another 18 days
behind bars under a standard credit applied against her term for time
served on good behavior.

On Saturday, the star of the reality TV show "The Simple Life" said she
had told her attorneys not to appeal the order sending her back to jail.

"Being in jail is by far the hardest thing I have ever done," she said in
a written statement issued by her attorney, Richard Hutton. "During the
past several days, I have had a lot of time to think and I believe that I
am learning and growing from this experience."

She added that she was "shocked" by the attention her case has received.

"I would hope going forward that the public and the media will focus on
more important things like the men and women serving our country in Iraq
and other places around the world," she said.

Hilton's early release to house arrest sparked national outrage and
accusations of preferential treatment because of her celebrity status.
She was sentenced to jail last month for violating probation in an
alcohol-related reckless case by driving on a suspended license.










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